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Post by tturen on Oct 11, 2006 6:42:25 GMT 1
Except the Tau do not play like the other 40k armies. A board with lots of low level terrian and a few small high pieces works for most armies. It doesn't work for the Tau who's armies are often based on battlesuits who can't hide and are relativly soft nearly dreadnought sized targets. They can't be effectivly screened except with say a Hammerhead and thats an expensive proposition not to mention an unsound one. Basic suits are darned vulnerable to even relativly light heavy weapons until they can manuever.
Taking options like this is hardly an admission that a commander can't manouver his forces. Rather the realistic commander must understand the value of having forces left to move in the first place.
Limiting options like these to command models is also an issue. Doing so would imply using expensive command models as screening forces. That simply is not helpful. Now limiting the options to squads would help and it would be incentive to use battlesuits in squads as well.
No 40k army has the same issues the Tau have in these regards.
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Post by Simon on Oct 11, 2006 7:13:33 GMT 1
Tyranids would also have problems with that type of board as their warriors are essential for keeping the gaunts in order. Again, this is simple, put more large scenery pieces on that board. Battlesuits are a points sink, but you can have a survivable unit with good manouverability there as long as you protect them for long enough...
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Post by Adoni-Zedek on Oct 11, 2006 13:59:31 GMT 1
Yes, but all tyranid models are capable of hiding. Battlesuits can't.
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Post by Simon on Oct 11, 2006 22:14:24 GMT 1
we're not really talking about the hiding rule (as I recall only an infiltrator my deploy in hiding), we're talking about not deploying battlesuits in cover/out of sight. A Battlesuit should not be in hiding, and should be hanging back out of sight, ready to leap forth and clear the lines of any threats. They can do this with decent scenery.
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Post by tturen on Oct 12, 2006 5:18:11 GMT 1
Any basic unit may deploy in hiding. Its what keeps the soft targets alive through the first turn. The issue in any case is hiding. I haven't seen a suit yet deploy in the open and I've not seen many boards that can hide more than a few suits and a vehicle in the DZ. The units are just large. More than four is iffy even in good terrain. Its also not a matter of terrain as we use a great deal ourselves. Putting huge pieces in the DZ itself is an alteration no other army requires. It is not the solution either.
GW did have an issue with IG along these lines. The result was the Reserve rule for them. GW also had the same issue with Nids so it allowed them to hide. In both cases large high value units can be kept alive in their respective armies. I think the solution just might be to have the suits follow the same rules as the Nids. That is monsterous critter/suits can hide in the case of Tau it would just be an appliocation of technology already well suited to their fluff.
Broadsides could be an exception I suppose though.
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Post by James 40K Champ *** on Oct 12, 2006 15:49:01 GMT 1
yeah anyone can deploy in hiding, we just dont see it because we dont play with much scenery in deploment zones.
I agree with tturen
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