Psychic Power and Protection question..

[Adoni-Zedek]

Does anyone else think that Aegis suits are horribly over-priced? 18 points for a 4+ save you are far less likely to use than a Conversion field? The only reason I can see this being worth it is if the Psychic protection extends to the Vortex psychic power, and to Vortex grenades as well. Even then, the Vortex grenade has never made an appearance in my current group, and my opponent doesn’t have access to the Inquisition Deck, so it still doesn’t help much. Does this save stack with a conversion field? If someone hits you with Scourging, would you get a save against the Psychic-ness with the suit, and then S4 part with the Field? If it does stack, it might be a little bit worth it, but 18 pts still seems over-priced to me.

Also, would the Aegis suit (and similar psychic powers, like Psychic Shield, and Aura of Fortitude) protect you from the psychic power Vortex? It is a psychic power, and those powers protect from other psychic powers, so you could argue that they could stop a vortex. Does that extend also to the Mark of Tzeentch, which lets you nullify any power that affects you on a 4+? Would that also affect the vortex grenade? Flesh hounds wear a Collar of Khorne, making them immune to all psychic powers. Assuming these items can stop a psychic vortex, can they stop a grenade vortex? Could these psychic protections stop Inferno Bolts (counts as psychic power Firestorm of Tzeentch)?

[El Capitan]

On the question of the aegis suit, i think its way over priced and would consider dropping it to 10 points. I think its priced in the character-centric games that the gw developers played and does it may have justified its 18 points, but otherwise, it just provides a little boost. I think the collar of khorne is pricey at 30 points (does the same thing but automatically rather than a 50% chance)

On another note we removed the blinding effect from a conversion field and bumped it up to 12 points as well.

[tturen]

Yep, it is over priced. 10 points is a fine price. I know I have never even seen an Aegis purchased as optional wargear.

As to when it works I can't say for certain but I would tend to use the only one unmodifiable save rule but one can argue as to if it applies in this case.n I'm certainly open on this front.

In any case it should only work against powers used by a psyker. So against a conventional vortex grenade a character would be out of luck.

[James 40K Champ ***]

I dont see Vortex as a power once it is in play, the psycher cannot choose to end it, if he dies its still wondering around.. pschich energy brough it into being, but then it is its own entity, a rip into the warp

However a vortex grenade causes a vortex i dont know, but same, once its in play, theres no stopping it as far as i understand it.

We just dont allow Vortex grenades, and the power rarley comes out

[El Capitan]

If vortex is used and comes into contact with a model with an aegis suit then i would say it can be nullified. If it is already in play however then its no longer a psychic power and thus an aegis suit offers no protection

[LukeG]

In general, a vortex is inviable. It quite simply is the most devasting power going but since i is random and out of control it brings its own drawbacks. I would argue against it nullifying, I would also argue against using Vortex on an Ork player (Kop Dis will bounce the template back at you ).
The advantage for the Aegis field is that it'll stack. 4+ to nullify, then feild save, then conventional save. It can also be used in addition to terminator armour. Aegis fields aren't supposed to be amazing, anything you could add to it would just over power it. It answers the question "How badly do you want to protect your character?" It's an extra boost to sidestep any evil Executioner activities, and it would completely neuter Scourging with a field as well.

[tturen]

So the suits save does stack. I wasn't sure about that one.

[Adoni-Zedek]

Turns out there are fields that can save against the vortex, and the wraith/distort cannon. The tyranids can have them. Warp fields (40 pts) need to roll 7+ on 2d6 (beat Str of incoming attacks, count Vortex/distort as S6) , and Null Zones (35 pts) give you a 4+ nullify against all psychic powers affecting the model, and also against vortex grenades, Wraithcannon, D-Cannon, and any other Warp-based weaponry.

So I guess the Aegis Suit can't help you there.