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Post by James 40K Champ *** on Oct 21, 2006 14:01:39 GMT 1
Can I take landspeeders armed only with a multimelta?
And how many points would that cost?
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Post by tturen on Oct 21, 2006 15:07:10 GMT 1
As a house rule, although GW certainly encouarged people to alter vehicles with the design rules. Under the design rules the heavy flamer costs 25pts. But then under those rules the costs don't add up with: Marine+Marine+Multi+Flamer= 30+30+25+65=150 points. So vehicle is 'Free'.
As for me I would say drop the flamer if you want and pay 145 - 25= 120 points. Should stay balanced if you have to keep the marine gunner even though he is not actualy required as a 'gunner'. Otherwise the speeder is just a 'free' ride for a multi meltas armed space marine.
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Post by Yarlen Fireblade on Oct 21, 2006 23:10:23 GMT 1
Well the extra crewman can take over if the primary pilot is killed, and we all know it happens.
SM attack bikes are just as 'free'
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Post by James 40K Champ *** on Oct 22, 2006 13:10:44 GMT 1
The gunner operates the multimelta...
So they both still have a job, its the driver who loses the flamer if you take it off..
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Post by tturen on Oct 22, 2006 16:21:42 GMT 1
That makes sense of course but the fax indicates the driver may operate the milti-melta all by himself and that if the gunner is lost then 'his' heavy flamer may no longer be used.
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Adoni-Zedek
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Post by Adoni-Zedek on Oct 23, 2006 1:35:18 GMT 1
I always let my opponent choose which weapon the driver controls, by letting them choose which weapon gets the 45 degree fire arc. Almost any opponent cringes at the idea of an assault cannon or heavy flamer with a 180 degree field of fire, so they give the big weapon the narrow field of fire. A driver is unlikely to control a 180 fire-arc weapon, so the driver usually gets the multi-melta/assault cannon, and the gunner gets the heavy bolter/heavy flamer. Which is how I'd prefer it anyway.
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Post by James 40K Champ *** on Oct 23, 2006 3:03:05 GMT 1
Well as far as id say, the gun mounted on the bottom of the speeder is driver controled, and the gun mounted on the top is gunner controled.. as its in his hands..!
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Post by tturen on Oct 23, 2006 3:23:58 GMT 1
Excellent point! Hard to argue with obvious despite the fax.
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Adoni-Zedek
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Post by Adoni-Zedek on Oct 23, 2006 13:48:09 GMT 1
Since I don't have any actual models, only lego stand-ins, what the actual model looked like didn't really enter into it. Unfortunately, I've lost the bag of legos that had my speeders in it. They didn't really look like the actual models, (not like my predator), but they did look cool, and were roughly the right size. If I ever find it, I'll post some pics.
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Post by James 40K Champ *** on Oct 23, 2006 14:07:13 GMT 1
Well im pretty sure when they were developing the vehicle, they intended the top gun to be the main weapon, controled by the gunner, if you lose one crew man, you should definatly lose your main gun (unless you intend to fly around out of conrtol).
There is no way a crewman can fly the thing and fire something which requires manual aiming to use (the top gun).
Where as, the bottom one is obviously linked up through some kind of targeting system which could be built into the drivers controls.
Its right for the traditional speeder, multimelta (gunner), flamer (pilot).. but the other variations are a bit mixed up.. the driver firing the assault cannon for example.
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Post by bot on Oct 23, 2006 15:55:45 GMT 1
if there's no gun to fire, one crew member is spare. also the skimmer should be modeled to contain only one crew member. it'll be slightly bigger than ususal eldar jetbike,but one person's riding it, so some convertion and modelling work is needed.
point cost and datafax should be look upon.
sounds cheesy anyway...
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