Rules Request

[James 40K Champ ***]

Im gonna start putting together a white scars army, just for a laugh really

The whitescars rules are quite bare at the moment, I duno whats open to them, but theres supposed to be things like power lances, the modles have swords and stuff on bikes, and I need to know what the vehicle restrictions are etc.

i.e. can attack bikes be bought as part of a bike squadron instead of a support choice etc

thanks

[James 40K Champ ***]

They are comparable to Ravenwing, and ravenwing has loads of extra funky stuff (like jink). So im hoping whitescars has some cool options. Are they actually in a codex somewhere? (as ive never read any of the marien books).

[Simon]

Yes, attack bikes can be bought as a part of a bike squadron as far as I know.

They basically all have to be highly mobile, so either bike squads or mounted in rhinos and stuff...

Also, not sure if we have this but maybe they should have a veteran bike squadron...

[James 40K Champ ***]

yeah there are some rules (including vet bike squads) here :

ogc.org.uk/Files/Rules/40k/HTML/SpaceMarineCODEXupdate/Rules.html

Just thought there might be a little more to expand uppon

[El Capitan]

these are tester ideas, some of the stuff, partoicualrly the white scars list is untested.

[James 40K Champ ***]

Ok, cool. But what about 'power lances' :s

I think I need to read the mariens book and rules for bikes so I understand things more before I ask more questons.

[James 40K Champ ***]

uk.games-workshop.com/spacemarines/miniature-gallery/25/


See, the bikers have cc weapons, and the commander has a big powr lance. What implications does this have for combat? Do they have 2 attacks or summit?

[James 40K Champ ***]

Oh one other little thing, have we made rules for the use of scouts on bikes?

Obviously not infiltrators, but perhaps a cheaper bike alternative?

[Adoni-Zedek]

For hit-and-run attacks, pretty much both sides get only one attack, regardless of weapons/attacks each model has, and parries are eliminated as well. And that's really all bikers are capable of unless they want to stop their bikes. Doesn't seem very likely to me.

[James 40K Champ ***]

So why do white scar bikes have swords? Espech if u cant parry :s

[Adoni-Zedek]

Parries haven't existed since 2nd Ed, and White Scars were only recently released. So GW doesn't care what they have. It's either a combat weapon or a power weapon. A power sword is still nice for that -3 save mod, though.

Power lance: Hmmmm....
How about S6, -3 sv mod, -4 sv mod when charging, and costs 7-8 points?

[El Capitan]

Power lance, eh? Seems fair and would be exceptionally dificult to use which fits in nicely.

"GW doesn't care what they have"

you can apply that phrase to almost anything GW have done in the past few years

[James 40K Champ ***]

lol, fair enuf, they are just cool models then.



An this is a power lance



It wouldnt be that hard to use would it? Just in a hit and run attack?

[Adoni-Zedek]

I suppose you could grant white scars a parry in hit-and-run attacks as a special chapter ability. Can you shoot your bike's weapons on the same turn you perform a hit-and-run attack?

[El Capitan]

No, the hit and run attack counts as a close combat phase with no risk and is done in the movement phase for convenience. However a change could be in order? Possibly a negative to hit modifer for firing weapons and making a hit and run attack.

[James 40K Champ ***]

yeah that would be cool, I was thinking about that the other day, your gonna have to pull off a skid turn most prob anyway to pull it off. We can always play around with playtesting.

[El Capitan]

the Tournaments coming Brown . . . . bring out the White Scars so you cant do a repeat through inexperience ;D

[James 40K Champ ***]

I wont use white scars in the tourn, maybe sisters, or necrons.

Just want the white scars for fun