OGC Codex Eldar errors/mistakes/missing entries

[Yarlen Fireblade]

It's recently come to my attention that not only are there alot of terrible errors in the 2nd edition Codex Eldar, but also in the OGC Eldar update.

I will list them, it would be nice if someone could make the changes official.
Ignoring the typos in the file itself.... I suggest the following.

Heavy weapon platforms cannot mount either Shuriken cannons or Eldar Missile launchers.

These are the estimated costs of such platforms:
Shuriken cannon platform = 55 points
Missile launcher platform = 59 points

The Vibrocannon platform should be "Move or Fire", unless you can explain to me how a weapon which transmits it's destructive power through the ground, can be moved forward at the same time as it's firing.
It makes no sense.

The Scatter laser is not a 'support weapon' as listed on page 63 of the Codex, it's a heavy weapon which is why it may be moved 4" and still fire each turn.

The Eldar equivalent of the Lascannon is called the Bright Lance, not the Pulse Laser, the Pulse Laser is a vehicle mounted only weapon and I might add considerably longer and bigger than the Bright Lance/Lascannon.
The Bright Lance should follow the same rules as the standard Imperial Lascannon.

Of course this will include changing the weapon options on the Falcon grav tank, whoever suggested giving it the ability to take two, single sustained fire lascannons should give themselves an uppercut.

The Eldar equivalent of the Heavyplasmagun (the Starcannon) should follow all the rules of the Imperial Heavyplasmagun, there is no reason to change the rules, just the name.

Eldar 'Fusionguns' are in all respects the same as Imperial Meltaguns.

Lasguns... I really couldn't care about, if you want to up their range that's up to you, but there is nothing in that fluff that indicates any enhanced performance apart from increased magazine capacity, when compared to Imperial Lasguns.

The Fire Prism Grav Tank does not mount a "Fire prism" in the turret, A tank floating around with another tank as a turret, theres a great idea lol.

It mounts a "Prism Cannon" in the turret, and whoever did the rules forgot to give it the standard "replace twin linked catapults to a single cannon for X points" option.

Why does the Falcon have a considerably higher Ram value than the Fireprism?
They are the same vehicle chassis, I would imagine the Fire Prism would be the heavier of the two.
AND the Fire Prism is faster?
What's going on here?
They should be exactly the same speed, if not the Fire Prism should be slightly slower.

Same argument for the Wave Serpent, it's broken.... fix it, same statistics as the Falcon.

[El Capitan]

Vibrocannon = fair enough, to be honest I've never seen one in action.
The Bright Lance was has rules from the 2nd edition 40k boxed set, which is why we've made these changes and not simply gone for the bright lance name change. The Bright Lance is a short range move and fire lascannon.
The weapon amendments are still up for testing and have had mixed reviews.
The falcon and fire prism rules, we havent changed as they were relaesd at similar times in this format. The wave serpent conversion is an equivalent conversion from the 4th ed. book.

As for the typo's, i try my best but its hard work writing all this stuff, thigns are corrected as soon as possible.
The GW typo's can be amended as well, they seem to litter 2nd ed.

[Yarlen Fireblade]

Your rules clearly state that ALL
Lascannons in the Eldar codex are now Pulse Lasers for an extremely cheap and poorly thought out +5 points extra.

A Vibrocannon model was never relased during 2nd edition which is why noone used it, a model was produced for 3rd/4th edition 40k, I happen to own 3 of them.

Yeah I remember the Bright Lance wargear card.

The Falcon and Fire Prism grav tanks were both released during 2nd edition, with their own datafax.

Here's the official Falcon Grav tank datafax which was released for 2nd edition.
www.xhrit.com/Naisoft/images//Uploads/Falcon_1.jpg

www.xhrit.com/Naisoft/images//Uploads/Falcon_2.jpg

I 'may' have the Fire Prism datafax somewhere but i'm not exactly sure, and the only datafax released for the Wave Serpent was the Armourcast version, which I have never seen or managed to get a hold of.
(But I know it exists!)

*EDIT*
Just to add, the Wave Serpent does not have a crew of 2, it has a Guardian driver, and a Spirit Stone controlling the turret.
Also.... it may replace it's twin linked shuriken cannons with twin linked 'any heavy weapon you desire'.
Of course disregarding the D-cannon, and Vibrocannon which are both support weapons.

Wave Serpents may also transport Wraithguard, but they count as two models like terminators, so you could take a unit of 5 and a warlock or two if you wanted.

[El Capitan]

Okay the Pulse Laser still needs testing for points, any suggestions?

The Wave Serpent can have its turret gunner modified to the spirit stone vehilce card. Also ill put your turett amendments on as soon as i can, but it probably wont appear for a while.

The datatfax for the fire prsim on our website is just typed off the actual card, its exactly the same (unless theres a horribvlwe glaring mistake )

The fire prism as move or fire is fair enough, we simply havent expreicned it to find this out.

[Yarlen Fireblade]

Okay the Pulse Laser still needs testing for points, any suggestions?

As I pointed out the Pulse Laser is substantialy larger (roughly 1/3rd longer and alot thicker) than any Lascannon. You don't see Imperial guard heavy weapon teams pushing battlecannons around.
Why? because they weigh way too much of course.

Two suggestions, either up the point substantialy and make them move OR fire (a distant runner up in my votes) OR turn them back into Lascannons (definately in fact)
Eldar do make extensive use of Lascannons you know.

The Wave Serpent can have its turret gunner modified to the spirit stone vehilce card. Also ill put your turett amendments on as soon as i can, but it probably wont appear for a while.

The Wave Serpent turret is always controlled by a Spirit Stone, go take a look at the model kit, you might be able to fit 1/3rd of a Guardian in there if you chopped him up into beef mince and poured him in.

The datatfax for the fire prsim on our website is just typed off the actual card, its exactly the same (unless theres a horribvlwe glaring mistake)

I seriously doubt this, because there are a number of errors not just the one, I pointed most of them out in my first post, i will report them to make them clear.

Number 1: You have given the Wave Serpent and Fire Prism the Ram values of Jetbikes.... they should be as the Falcons, Strength 7, D12 damage, -5 save modifier.

Number 2: You have also given the Wave Serpent and Fire Prism the speed bands of Jetbikes.
They should be; Slow 8", Combat 20" and Fast 30"
Not 10,18,35.

Number 3: The Fire Prism & Wave Serpent do not list the +5 point hull mounted Shuriken catapult to Cannon upgrade, this is a standard upgrade for all Grav Tanks.

The fire prism as move or fire is fair enough, we simply havent expreicned it to find this out.

Um.... What?
I never mentioned this in any of my posts I have no idea where you pulled it from.
I'm assuming you mean "Vibrocannon" but in any case the only thing that makes that deathtrap called the Fire Prism worthwhile is the fact it can move fairly quickly and fire its 2" blast Lascannon, take that away from it and noone will ever field it.

*EDIT*
Writing clear consistant rules is not hard, I do it all the live long day, your 'problem' here seems to be a community of freeloaders who never help you, yesmen who nod and smile at everything you do, which just reinforces the ignorance factor around here.

[Simon]

I agree with the starcannon point. The point of the eldar, as I've always seen them, is that instead of their technology being more powerful, it is simply supposed to be more sophisticated. A lasgun for the eldar on the battlefield will perform in the same way as an imperial counterpart, but the difference will come in the prolonged use such as a more sophisticated power source that requires recharging less often. A lascannon for the Eldar would perform in the same way, and that's where the difference lies.

As far as the spirit stone goes for the Wave Serpent Turret, you could probably have space for a control room for the turret elsewhere in the vehicle anyway, so that's not an issue.

[Yarlen Fireblade]

As far as the spirit stone goes for the Wave Serpent Turret, you could probably have space for a control room for the turret elsewhere in the vehicle anyway, so that's not an issue.

Well first of all i'd like to know what exactly is the issue/problem with the vehicle having a turret controlled by a Spirit Stone?

Eldar Dreadnoughts are piloted by them, as are Wriathguard, for all intensive purposes the Wave Serpent still has 2 crew members, but one can never leave the vehicle.

The Fire Prism comes fitted with a Crystal Targeting matrix as standard and I don't see anyone kicking up a fuss.

[bot]

i don't want to use any vaseline here, but first post of yarlen (and the rest) are very good point outs. i support almost all of them:
- Heavy weapon platforms and Shuriken cannons or Eldar - - Missile launchers - yep
- The Vibrocannon - Move or Fire - correct
- The Eldar equivalent of the Heavyplasmagun (the Starcannon) - sure
- Fusion gun (melta) - right

- Pulse Laser (lascan with sustained fire?)

the only thing i'm not quite sure:

The Scatter laser is not a 'support weapon'

i know that falcon datafax mentions scatlas in one line with other heavy weapons, but wargear book and eldar codex state it's support weapon.
i'm aware that both books were the very first in 2ed and so are burdened with the full incompetence of gw designers. falcon was one of the last datafaxes published. maybe it's not sucha bad idea to make it hvy. weapon. i dunno. whatever.

[tturen]

Be nice if I owned an Eldar codex but I tend to agree with most of what Yarlen says and my opinion on giving the Eldar more 'advanced' weapons in general is already a matter of record. I simply am not a fan of the conecpt particularly the pulse laser option.

[Yarlen Fireblade]

i know that falcon datafax mentions scatlas in one line with other heavy weapons, but wargear book and eldar codex state it's support weapon.
i'm aware that both books were the very first in 2ed and so are burdened with the full incompetence of gw designers. falcon was one of the last datafaxes published. maybe it's not sucha bad idea to make it hvy. weapon. i dunno. whatever.

The Scatter Laser is the better choice for hoard armies, Tyranids and Orks in particular, it has a mega long range, high strength and low save modifier and never jams.
But the Shuriken Cannon is the better character and heavy infantry busting weapons, strength 5, D4? damage and a -3 save modifier is a major risk for any terminator or tooled up character.