Tau Empire Codex Changes v 1.5 T+

[James 40K Champ ***]

Pretty silly.

The main problem comes not when the army list is flawed, but when people are silly with army selection. You shouldnt aim to win at any cost including fun and realism.

In our group we dont really have these problems as everyone picks armys sensibly.

[Adoni-Zedek]

Heavy Flamer is Move and Fire, not Move OR Fire. Heavy weapons aren't by definition Move or Fire, they, by definintion, encumber the user (unless it's a terminator). If the weapon descripion doesn't say "Move or Fire", it's Move AND fire. GW clarified this in a FAQ regarding the Blastmaster and Slaaneshi Terminators. Of course, if you don't buy GW FAQs, you won't buy this either (bots).

[Yarlen Fireblade]

bot said:

jester is 100 pts bs7 guy that comes with 4+ umodified save and heavy weapon, fear and preferably extra field save (without expenditure of wargear slot!). i've got two of them.

and don't forget maugan ra with his master crafted s-can.
now combine shuriken catapult with jump and fast shot and you have 9'', double firing heavy bolter.
do i have to make myself even clearer?

Could you get anymore wrong bots seriously?
I swear you improvise 80% of your posts, just spout whatever pops into your head.
Firsly the Death Jester is Ballistic skill 6 not 7
A Death Jesters base cost (without any upgrades) is 125 points not 100.
Doesn't come with ANY save whatsoever, holosuits provides an additional -1 to hit there is no save, you get hit you get no save.
Can't be given mundane armour as the Eldar armour list doesn't contain mundane armour, once again a conversion field costs 14 points, so 'your' jester would cost at least 139 points.
Can't be given Exarch wargear or Warrior powers.

So you field 2 of them and you still can't get even the most basic information about them right? man i'm thankful i don't have to play you.

Oh & i'm 99% sure that Games Workshop cleared up that you can't use fast shot with heavy weapons, the shuriken cannon is still a heavy weapon move & fire or not.

[James 40K Champ ***]

lol

[tturen]

I could use a copy of that Eldar codex. I have to borrow each time I want to the official one.

Exarchs may use fast shot with the S. Cannon. GW mentioned that they may use it even if the weapon is vehicle mounted such as on a bike as well (faq).

Sensible armies? I wish! We get lots of beard around here.

[bot]

yarlenfireblade said:

bot said:

jester is 100 pts bs7 guy that comes with 4+ umodified save and heavy weapon, fear and preferably extra field save (without expenditure of wargear slot!). i've got two of them.

and don't forget maugan ra with his master crafted s-can.
now combine shuriken catapult with jump and fast shot and you have 9'', double firing heavy bolter.
do i have to make myself even clearer?

Could you get anymore wrong bots seriously?
I swear you improvise 80% of your posts, just spout whatever pops into your head.
Firsly the Death Jester is Ballistic skill 6 not 7
A Death Jesters base cost (without any upgrades) is 125 points not 100.
Doesn't come with ANY save whatsoever, holosuits provides an additional -1 to hit there is no save, you get hit you get no save.
Can't be given mundane armour as the Eldar armour list doesn't contain mundane armour, once again a conversion field costs 14 points, so 'your' jester would cost at least 139 points.
Can't be given Exarch wargear or Warrior powers.

So you field 2 of them and you still can't get even the most basic information about them right? man i'm thankful i don't have to play you.

Oh & i'm 99% sure that Games Workshop cleared up that you can't use fast shot with heavy weapons, the shuriken cannon is still a heavy weapon move & fire or not.

jester is bs6 plus targeter. that's what i wanted to say. i thought they have 4+ dodge, but that was something with close combat.
eh, memory... truthis i haven't fielded eldars for two years maybe?

Exarchs may use fast shot with the S. Cannon. GW mentioned that they may use it even if the weapon is vehicle mounted such as on a bike as well (faq).

fuck...

[Yarlen Fireblade]

Are you sure?
It makes no mention in the weapon profile or background that shuriken cannons always come with targeters, yes they come with a targeter when mounted on a vehicle.
But IIRC the 'targeter' is a piece of wargear so for infantry i'd assume you have to pay for it.

[bot]

all heavy weapons in 40k come with targeters unless stated otherwise. right?

[James 40K Champ ***]

Only for Imperial stuff?

Chaos can never have targeters, neither can orcs, Imperial Guard etc

[Yarlen Fireblade]

I think my reasons for Death Jesters not having targeters still stand.

They're BS 6 (they don't need targeters)

Targeters are Wargear, DJ's may take 3 pieces of wargear, in essence you're giving the DJ a piece of wargear absolutely free.

Nowhere does it mention the Shuriken cannon coming with a targeter, only Eldar vehicles come standard with targeters on their weapons.

[tturen]

The Eldar Codex may be the only one that isn't clear about targeters on heavy weapons. The IG, Chaos, Wolves and Marines all make this issue clear for the respective armies.

In the case of the Eldar if it doesn't say they do have them then it seems most likely they do not. This makes sense for the reasons Yarlen mentioned. The S Cannon as far as I recall can only be taken by vehicles and characters. GW may certainly have felt the weapon was already extremly powerful (I would say over powered) in the hands of a character anyway so did not require a targeter.

[Adoni-Zedek]

Any Exarch (BS 6) taking it has a targeter, since it only comes wih a Dark Reaper Range Finder. So that leaves the Death Jester as the only model in the Eldar force with a Buanna and no targeter. The dreadnought is BS6 and gets a targeter. I say give it to him. Every other heavy weapon in the army gets one (unless you don't roll to hit with it, like D-Cannons), and it seems odd that the DeathJester doesn't.

Just in the interest of full disclosure, I am currently assembling a Harlequin force, so I guess you could consider me biased. I try to stay objective, though.

[Yarlen Fireblade]

It makes no mention if 'The Maugetar' is fitted with a targeter or not either, but guess what?
Maugan Ra is BS 7 so it doesn't matter, even with a -2 to hit modifier he will still hit on 2+
The Dreadnaught is a vehicle therefore comes with a targeter like ALL Eldar vehicles.

The Exarch pays way to much for their Shuriken cannon/Dark Reaper helmet, consider this.
A Range Finder helmet alone costs 5 points.
A Shuriken Cannon alone (with a targeter) costs 20 points as listed on the Vyper datafax.

So really you're getting ripped out of 15 points.

If you want your Death Jester to have a targeter BUY it one, it has 3 wargear slots.

[LukeG]

And who wouldn't want one?
BS6 with a targeter and +1 to hit short range has become known as 'dreadnought to hit' after the infamous fun slayer that is an Imperial dreadnought with an Assualt Cannon. As standard you're 2+ to hit in heavy cover at all times and modest additional modifiers can be pretty much ignored too.